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The Selecter's Pauline Black: ‘I was pleased when I found out my mother was Jewish’

Elisa Bray discusses knife crime, racism and the trials of adoption with the singer ahead of her band’s support slot with Blur at Wembley stadium on Sunday and a string of festival shows this summer

July 6, 2023 15:37
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"I’m permanently cross,” says Pauline Black, with a chuckle that fortunately suggests otherwise. A pioneer of the early-1980s 2 Tone ska movement as singer of The Selecter, Black is talking about the themes that inspired the Coventry band’s latest album: knife crime, fake news, keyboard warriors, the waste of war. It’s enough to make anyone angry.

And yet, this album was written pre-pandemic, long before the Ukraine invasion. “It was strangely prescient,” she says. “The same things keep coming up in the news, and you can relate them all back to many of those songs.”

It started with a voice recording on her phone, of her singing the chorus for Mama’s So Blue, a tribute to the mothers who have lost children to knife crime.

And there are many. Official statistics reveal that 99 under-25s in England and Wales were stabbed to death in the 12 months to March 2022, and 13 of those were younger than 16.

The album’s title, Human Algebra, followed, because “it seemed to sum up the mess we were in somehow, but also the solution to that mess. Algebra is about finding the unknown.”

Black hoped that if she followed this thought, “we might get somewhere”, and focused her attention on the victims.

“It’s [knife crime] leaving behind this huge crater of families which are completely decimated, and particularly mothers,” she says, with measured anger creeping in. “As a society, we’re sitting here looking at a section of our youth which has no other recourse to justice, other than arming themselves with knives.

“I just feel like we have to make some inroads into this and get some kind of solution amongst humanity otherwise it’s going to get worse and worse.

"The art of any kind of diplomacy, of being able to talk to each other, all that is becoming more and more fragmented with social media.”

The singer for the multi-racial band, signed alongside the Specials and Madness to the anti-racist 2 Tone label set up by the Specials’ Jerry Dammers in the late 1970s, has seen all their albums as conversation starters since the release of their 1980-debut Too Much Pressure.

“If you’re not having the conversation, if you’re not seeing change in your world, what’s the point in producing music and saying the same things that have always been said?” she says.